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The altar of Lyon on coins: a possible recovery iconography
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Autor:  andrea72 [ 16. Jun 2013, 17:23 ]
Betreff des Beitrags:  The altar of Lyon on coins: a possible recovery iconography

The altar of Lyon on coins: a possible recovery iconography on coins of Friesach first and then Aquileia.


The altar

The importance of the sanctuary is demonstrated by its presence on one side of some coins minted in Lyon, which can give a fairly accurate idea of ​​its likely configuration. These are a central monument, adorned with a wreath at the base, surrounded by plant stems (laurel?). The central monument was built the altar with statues representing the sixty Gallic cities. At the base of the altar, registration ET-AUG-ROM ("Romae and Augustus" of Rome and Augustus), to remember the commitment of the building and its religious role. The monument was flanked by two pillars on which rested two wins with a crown.
Both columns were sawed in half and re-used in the Middle Ages to support the cross of the Romanesque church of Saint-Martin d'Ainay. The original height of the columns would be 14 m.

     reconstruction of the altar and columns reused in
Romanesque church of Saint-Martin d'Ainay.

Every year, representatives of 60 nations gathered there Gallic (from Belgium, from 'Aquitaine and the' area of ​​Lyon). According to S. Charléty they met "to speak in the church
general affairs of the country, criticizing acts of Roman officials, by a vote of censure, and
send their loyalty to the emperor, their concerns and their desires. "
A sort of assembly parlamentale "Gallica" said precisely "council of the three roosters."

The altar on the coins


L 'Altar of Lyons (Latin for "Ara Lugdunensis") is a building that appears on many Roman coins. Altar Lyon is represented on bronze coins of Augustus and Tiberius, on the back of these pieces, the altar is shown with the caption dedicated to "Rome and Augustus" (abbreviated "ROMETAVG").
It is significant that the theme of the altar is also picked up on the local currency of the Belgian Gauls, as if the altar meant a kind of supranational unity of the peoples of Gallic origin.


The Table of the speech of Claudio
The table in bronze faithfully reproduces a speech which Emperor Claudius held in 48 before the Senate of Rome in which endorses the call of the Roman nobles to give the citizens of Lyon rights equal to those of the Romans.



The Roman conquest can not be explained only by military power, is also based on consensus with the local aristocracies first and then in a broad sense. The speech of Claudius we are lucky to keep it in 2 ways: one is the summary of the presentation by Claudio us by Tacitus (Annals of Book XI), the other is a bronze tablet found in Lyon, the city of Claudius, which reports a part of this discourse, that of the original speech of Claudius: in short, where he says that other people have had the empire and military force but only the Romans conquered peoples have integrated admitting not only the citizens but also in the Senate. This is the key that explains the success of the Romans.

Transcription and Translation
(Galliae Nar) bonensis uenisti.
Tot exception insignes iuuenes, quot intueor, non sunt magis paenitendi
senatores, quam paenitet Persicum, nobilissimum uirum,
amicum meum inter maiorum imagines his rum Allobrogici
nomen legere. Quod you haec ita they consentitis, ultra quid
desideraris, quam ut ipsum solum uobis I type demonstrem ultra fines
prouinciae Narbonensis iam uobis senatores mittere, when
former Luguduno nos habere our Ordinis uiros not paenitet?
Shy quidem, p [ATRES] c [onscripti] Black Reach adsuetos familiaresque uobis
prouinciarum terminos sum; destricte sed iam Comatae Galliae agenda due east.

Boundaries of Gaul ... Narbonne.
All these young men distinguished here in front of my eyes, we no longer have to regret senators who do not mind that my friend Persicus of ancient nobility, read by his portraits of ancestors Allobrogique name. And if you agree with me that this is so, what do you want too, if I show you the finger the soil itself beyond the borders of the province of Narbonne sends you already senators, Lyon since I do not regret to have men of our order . Although shy, conscript fathers, I have exceeded the limits of the province that you are used to and familiar, but openly, now he has to plead the cause of the Hairy Gaul.

You can no doubt summarize his thought thus: - Without the local authority's empire would be no harm.
The temple is then local autonomy in the context of imperial. In fact it is after the speech of Claudius that is given to the Gauls the right of assembly.

Lugudurum was, since its conquest by the Roman site of a tick. Lyon was also an important military center and hub of major commercial and political relations, the heart of the traffic between South and North (center of the large road network that crossed the Gaul in all directions. How the altar of Lyons IL Ubieraltar of Cologne should then have the same meaning for Germania.Entrambi altars play a role similar to that del'altare of Zeus at Olympia, the center of all political parties and games and (H.Willers, Numismat. Zeitschrift 1902). Altars similar in structure and in addition to the use of Lyons were found in Cologne, Vienna, Nimes. In Cologne the population of Cherusker (Cherusci) saw in the temple, the religious and political center (German deities were assimilated to Roman) (The prince local was chosen by the priests in this place deltempio received the investiture)






Meaning that over the centuries has remained unchanged if the assumption that I'm going to describe it would be confirmed.


During the medieval Holy Roman Empire under the Emperor entrusted, delegated the administration of the territories.

Friesach (Slovenian: Bre.e) is a town in the district of Sankt Veit an der Glan, Carinthia, Austria. Located on a trade route from Venice to Vienna door quickly became the market town. The city flourished under Eberhard II made it the second largest city in Carinthia after Salzburg. From the eleventh to the fourteenth century was the seat of the brand, which was established to quickly monetize the silver mined in the nearby mines. The coins are minted of all primitive and essential: a coin minted goods with a warranty. These coins were immediately appreciated for their quality and spread over large areas of today's Alpe Adria.

L 'Archbishopric of Salzburg was an ecclesiastical state of the Holy Roman Empire.

There are numerous varieties minted coin (reference for their vision in Arnold von Luschin EBENGREUTH, Friesacher Pfennig. Wien, 1923 and CORPUS nummorum AUSTRIACORUM). Here I want to focus on what is called with towers and temple (CNA CA9) compared to emissions Belgian horse minted in the birth of Christ.


One can not speak of coincidences if you look at the figures imprinted on these coins, the layout of the temple columns between the presence of globules under the temple (in the Roman coins of the same period the details are more and you can identify laurel wreaths and other decorations ), 4 pellets in the upper part of the coin which can then identify with the cross present in frisancensi.

Most likely the teachers knew the brand symbolism related to this subject and this is well suited to the context of 'Archbishopric of Salzburg and his regent: a strip of land of the Holy Roman Empire governed in all loyalty to the emperor who profited from the wise administration of the Archbishop
As said before The temple is then local autonomy in the context of imperial.
The rights that the emperor with his edicts gave way to the local administration.
The success of the currencies of Friesach led many other lords to imitate these coins in the Italian context, primarily the mint of Aquileia, in the field of Balkan hungary purely by way of example.
To support my hypothesis just remember that even the city of Aquileia was linked to the empire by an edict that allowed her to become an autonomous entity

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Autor:  Andechser [ 16. Jun 2013, 18:08 ]
Betreff des Beitrags:  Re: The altar of Lyon on coins: a possible recovery iconogra

Hello andrea72,
I think that your interpretation of the church at CNA Ca9 as a citation of a coin of the first century is not correct. There is no evidence for a tradition of meanings from first to twelfth century.

Zitat:
Most likely the teachers knew the brand symbolism related to this subject and this is well suited to the context of 'Archbishopric of Salzburg and his regent: a strip of land of the Holy Roman Empire governed in all loyalty to the emperor who profited from the wise administration of the Archbishop
As said before The temple is then local autonomy in the context of imperial.
The rights that the emperor with his edicts gave way to the local administration.
The success of the currencies of Friesach led many other lords to imitate these coins in the Italian context, primarily the mint of Aquileia, in the field of Balkan hungary purely by way of example.


The structure of the Holy Roman Empire is so different from the structure of the Roman Empire that this hypothesis is very weak. Otherwise there was not an Italian bishop minting this type, it was, as you said before, Eberhard II. former Bishop of Regensburg and there is no evidence that anyone in 12th century knew the meaning of this type. Churches had been minted on coins since 9th century, therefore it is in all probability a simple church and nothing else. And Aquileia was the only Italian city imitating Friesach Pfennigs. Other northern Italian cities minted Pfennigs like Venice.


Zitat:
To support my hypothesis just remember that even the city of Aquileia was linked to the empire by an edict that allowed her to become an autonomous entity


Why should this support your hypothesis? A kind of autonomy of bishops and dukes was quite normal in 12th century HRE. Aquileia was an partly autonomous entity and a liege of the emperor of the HRE. The same status had Cologne or Bavaria.
Another problem of your hypothesis is the fact that German patriarchs of Aquileia immitated Salzburgian coins, not Italien patriarchs.

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Andechser

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